Gunwitch has a wicked interesting post about something he calls
the "Pleasure Principle," which is basically about how to make a
woman feel good so she'll sleep with you, and how to avoid
making her uncomfortable so she won't. But I'll let Gun explain
it...==========================================
Gunwitch writes:A concept I have had for a while is the pleasure principle (pp
for rest of document). Not the old school psychology pp, but
rather a concept for pick up unrelated to it.
Women of course will do what gives them pleasure, as long as the
consequence isn't too great. As I championed and alerted people
to in the community for a long time "women like sex the same as
we do, IF she won't be thought of as a slut or whore etc for
doing it".
There are other reasons a woman wont have sex with a man she
otherwise would have, we will get in to that later.
For right now though I am going to put out this drawing (I didnt
take 4 years of art in college just to draw this for 5 minutes,
so please keep the jokes to a minimum):
Picture and reference to terms in pyramid are here:
http://dynamicsexlife.com/post.htmlMUST see to understand rest of post. Copy and paste the entire
thing make sure to get the post.html thing at the end on there.
The goals legs represent her stress points. Or her general
pleasure zones end and beginning of consequence rather than
pleasure.
The pyramid and things contained in it, the narrower they are
are what fit in to the pleasure zone, with the most value to her.
The bigger the section is, the less importance or harder it is
to get through to her that it contains pleasure for her.
The items to the right are the generally impossible to ensure,
while the items to the left are what we generally work with in
this community.
The above picture is kind of a glimpse in to my brain when
working in field. Wherever I am at on the pyramid, trying to fit
through the goal, is where I keep my persistence level, kind of
the "PUSH" in to her pleasure principle.
If I am at simple light rapport and maybe a little bit of social
attraction from her, and she tries to eject I wont let her, no
fuckin way, she is gonna have to get rude with me.
The lay is still there to be had at this stage, as I haven't had
the chance to show the higher up pp she may have in mind for a
lover, so I CAN'T let it go.
However the times when my persistence backing this up will be
light is when I have shown a lot, maybe as far in as attraction
and even some arousal, and she is hemming and hawing about
getting alone together etc. She says "I have to meet my friend
for yoga" I say "blow it off, we will have more fun". I won't
full blown go in to "ok I have to show more here real fast"
mode, I just casually push, because the pp is at work and the
goal is already penetrated slightly.
I have never articulated this exactly before or especially put
it in to an illustration like this but figure it may link up how
I think about the game, and my own style or even others styles
for some as a teaching tool to help get the kind of results I do
approach to lay wise.
Some descriptions of the (non beaten to death already) terms on
the pyramid for those seeking something like the pp for a way to
think in field to take their game from an intermediate to
advanced level with whatever style they use:
Arousal:Push pull style conscious arousal: Of course hard to calibrate
from the jump, but some chicks get turned on by the "you are
such a bint, oh bint thats like an english word for idiot" "oh
I'm sorry I'll be nice to ya.... if you fetch me a drink" type
of role playing dominance game. Again hard to tell if she is up
for it, but a way too arousal
Sexual congruence: The entire act as if frame, my sexual state
stuff, tons of clones of it out there, but basically anything
that gets her vibing sexual with you.
Exact perfect type: Only good news on this one, is that you
never know when you approach a chick almost no matter what you
look like if you may fall in to being her almost exact match
looks wise for what turns her on. Possible to be, yet impossible
to be for every chick.
Unknown fantasy: This of course could be anything. Only good
news again here is that most women say their biggest fantasy is
sex with a stranger. Other than that it is damn hard to tap in
to her ideal behaviours in some psychic way.
Attraction:Socially matched look style: This one is hard to do of course
because most chicks HAVE NO STYLE. But if you dress in certain
niche looks, hip hop, rocker, goth, uptown classy etc etc etc
and see a hot chick of the same style and behaviour you of
course have an easy in attraction wise.
-D-hv: Reason I put the -D- in dhv is that you need to display
and demonstrate high value in the same vien as all the others in
the attraction category, by being kicked back, not seeking
approval, having more of the dynamic be controlled by you etc.
NOT verbally "up yourself" as that only causes social/less
effective pp for her.
Dominance, frame control: Same as Dhv too harped on, either ya
get it or ya don't by now.
End values: She is thinking she lately wants a wildman, a rich
guy, a jerk cause nice guys smother her, a nice guy who will
kiss her ass because she JUST got dumped, too many to list, and
too specific to ever be exactly that attraction wise. Easier to
focus on the other areas
Social:Social ppp is where it can start to get harder to be exact and
get through her goal post, Social starts to get "wider and less
specific" and more a general easy to figure out thing. So it
isn't unique to her in any way.
Ya get the simps on here who act like a lot of this type of shit
needs to be hammered away at, but it really doesnt, attraction
and arousal are far more important than social pp, despite the
simps former social idiocy of their own.
Social is also where if one focuses too much attention they get
"liked not laid" because the consequence of her fucking him is
low, because he has shown he is likable and cool, but has not
aroused her.
Dynamic conversation: Stuff like routines, my pop culture talk,
patterns to stories to free flowing on the fly convo of base to
ammusing interest levels.
Games entertainment: Palm reads, cold reads, explaing psychology
and body language to her, cube game, etc etc.
Verbal DHV: Thowing yourself up. "I never really believed in
myself when it came to competition until one night this big ass
bouncer dude was feeling up my girlfriend and wouldnt leave her
alone, and then got shitty with me when I told him to knock it
off, I was super scared at the moment, and knew I was about to
get my ass beat, but then realized right then, and have since,
that not making the effort is what means losing, and if you make
the effort full blown you never know what can happen because I
actually tangled with the guy and was "competitive" and didnt
get hurt or anything.... bla bla blah
Type of grounding and story telling that puts you in a favorable
light.
Perceived social value: Stuff like hanging out with good looking
women, running sets etc
Pre determined real social value: Like if you own the club, or
are the star quarterback on the team, you drive a lambo, kind of
shit that can make for her fucking you even if she isnt aroused
or attracted at all, because the pp becomes one of social nature
and her own status.
Perfect social looks: Semi gay semi masculine, medium length
hair probably blonde with blue eyes, total teen movie guy look
thing. A great number of women will (same as the rich or
quarterback or owner of the hottest club) for their own status,
not thier own arousal.
This is why guys like this get cheated on all the fuckin time
cause other guys push real buttons biologically in her, rather
than just socially.
(You see she can not become aroused or attracted to you
socially, she can desire what your social status can DO FOR HER
though, not ideal.)
Rapport:All to weak to get through the goal posts on it's own, no
pleasure principle for her because rapport is so common, UNLESS
you happen to have one of the higher up pp then you aren't
working on rapport alone. Rapport alone with no other pp, and
you have to persist like mad and even then it isn't a solid game.
Absence or negative means of course you have a deficit in any of
the above or none of it, not even rapport. This is where we
start out and work from unless we have right hand items in place
she already knows about or can see.
Overall this is kind of how I perceive it in field.
I basically feel myself, my mouth and words and mind (pyramid of
game) as something heading in to a fairly wide goal (entering
her mind and her desires, discovering and pressing pp points).
I then free flow from there and if I discover something
definitive that will attract her or arouse her by chance I do
it. Otherwise without knowing I stick to the left hand side and
use whatever is appropriate thats most powerfull(closest to the
top) and lay it on thickest where it is fit to be used.
Again not "basic foundations of how to get laid" stuff here, but
more a way of calibrating almost exactly what you should be
using on any given chick from weakest to most powerful, when in
doubt going left where appropriate, and when (by chance) you can
going right hand side stuff is best.
