Tyler Durden: AMOG tactics

[Dunkan]

1) "whoa.. dude, you remind me so much of the most popular
guy from my high school.. like the captain of the football
team guy, who beats up all the nerds.."

2) "whoa.. dude, you're like a total alpha male.. yeah, I'm
serious.. I watched this show on TV describing alpha
males.. you totally fit the bill."

3) "dude.. you're a pretty cool guy.. you know, I'm just
saying that you're cool.. you're just a cool guy" (in a way
where he can't tell if you're serious, so he has to say
"thanks", but doesn't quite know how to react)


You'll find that you get amazing results from these first
three for several reasons:

-this is a mind-fuck called "LABELLING"... its like if I
told a gangster rapper "hey, you're like the 'fuck-guy'..
you like to say 'fuck' all the time.. that's so cool....
'fuuuuck guuuuuy.. what's up!" The gangster rapper would
feel like "WTF.. is that bad?" and stop using the word
'fuck' around me as a result. It's basically designed to
get him CONSTANTLY CONSCIOUS of his actions, to trip him up.

-it shows that you understand his behaviour, and that the
more he acts like that, the more he shows you that YOU ARE
RIGHT, making YOU the alpha.



Just stopped by, and thought I could post something. I
don't have time to get into all that stuff Jlaix was on
about (too long), but here's some other stuff I've been up
to lately that I thought was pretty funny.

I learned most of this stuff in Europe, while trying to
steal sets from guys and preventing them from stealing sets
from me. The guys here are not pushovers like most guys I
meet in North America. Many have game.

This is field tested probably hundreds of times.


AMOG: How do you guys know eachother?
PUA: Her? I fucked her.

(Girl will go "aaaaaaaaah... hahahahah, I did NOT!!! But
she'll hit you and be giggling and start crawling all over
you...).

AMOG: Hey, this is a nice girl.
PUA: Her.. she's a slut..

(Again, girl will start going "nooooo!" while giggling her
ass off and crawling on you.. this is very deflating to the
guy trying to cut in)

NOTE: Trying the above 2 was actually kinda weird for me. I
was like "fuck, I can't say this". But I'd seen the
European naturals use it on me a few times, so I thought
"fuck it, I'll use it". I use it all the time now,
including just bringing it up like "actually guys, you know
her and I know eachother.. know how? I fucked her.." The
girls freak out and giggle and grab you and get hyper. The
key though is that you have to do it when they're already
at high buying temperature. Like similar to CraigSD220's
C&F Accentuators. You do it to add punch to something else
that already got them laughing.

AMOG: Hey girls whats up (or whatever)
PUA: Hey dude dude (putting hands up like you give up).. I
will pay you a HUNDRED dollars right now, to take these
girls away from me.

(Girls will go "no no no... we love you PUA.. noooooo" and
giggle and crawl on you.. Again, immediately deflating to
the guy)

AMOG: Hey girls what's up (or whatever)
PUA: Dude, OMG that shirt is AWESOME.. I had one just like
it in highschool, it fucking rocks man.. Having a good time
in London man.. It's awesome huh? Dude you're like the
coolest guy I met all night.. (patting him on the
shoulder)..

AMOG: (showing signs that he wants to fight)
PUA: hahah, dude, are you like trying to pick a fight with
me? hahahha.. ok ok hold up hold up.. wait a sec, we'll do
even better.. first... we'll have an armwrestling
competition.. then second.. we'll do one armed pushups..
and last..... POSE-DOWN!!

(then you start flexing and go "ladies?", and they start
saying how you're so strong, and the AMOG looks like a
tool.. you're tooling him, by making him seem like he's
trying too hard to impress the girls by showing them
superiority).

AMOG: Hey man.. keep talking.. no no, let's hear your pitch
man.. pick these girls up man, you're doing awesome.
PUA: Hey, you know I've gotta try to impress you COOL
(x-city, x-dressed, x-whateverquality) guys.. You guys
fucking ROCK.

(cut him down on whatever limited amount of knowledge you
have of him, even if its not relevant whatsoever, he'll
feel uncomfortable and his bodylanguage will show it)


AMOG: (starts touching you to show dominance)
PUA: hahhaha, DUUUUDE, I'm not into guys man... dude,
there's club-gay-whatever over there man.. hands off the
merchandise buddy

(girls laugh at him, then he starts qualifying himself to
you that he's not gay)


AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: (don't answer.. just SIT there quiet.. the more he
says stuff to you, the more he's TRYING.. talking too long
without an answer is QUALIFYING yourself.. so if he keeps
trying to out-alpha you, and you don't answer, eventually
he looks beta because he tried too hard to get your
attention.. another trick is to make "let's get out of
here" girlcode with your eyes to the girls (mimmick what
they do to eachother when you do a bad set), and they'll
leave with you)

AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: dude, you're an alphamale..
AMOG: what's that..
PUA: you know, like the leader of the pack.. you call the
shots.. you can put your hands on guys you don't know,
cause you're alpha..

(fucks up his whole 'look cool' game, because you've
characterized all his manneurisms, so anything he does to
look alpha makes him appear to be qualifying himself too
you.. if he continues, just say "see... alphamale.. whoa
tiger, I can't mess")

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Also more tactics..

Once you get the guy to qualify himself to you in any way
(like he tries to make friends), rather than being nice,
IMMEDIATELY cut him out of the circle. Just cut him out.
You'll notice him trying to SHUT YOUR GAME DOWN by
bombarding you with logical questions. They'll start
pummeling you with logical stuff, so that you have to
answer him the girls fall out of state. For me I found the
solution was just to say "hey man, don't get all scientific
on me.. we're here to have fun.." and then immediately
start gaming the girls again. btw, if I'm out with any of
my GFs at a club, and another guy hits on them, I use the
same tactics on AMOGS to stop them.

When you cut him out of the circle, he'll either leave (too
deflated), or he'll try to grab your shoulder and say
something like "don't turn your back on me". From there,
the girls think he's creepy, so you say "hey guys, this
dude is creepy.. are you friends with this guy?? did YOU
bring this guy here?" The girls will say "no no no, we
don't know him", and you say "OK, let's get out of here",
and put out your arms for them to grab.

Then walk away with the girls on your arms, and if you want
(I do this alot) turn around and have them both kiss you on
the cheek and wave the AMOG goodbye.

Also, you can USE the AMOG's WORK for yourself. Like he lines 'em up, you knock 'em down.

This is something I do alot. I let a guy pick a girl up and increase her buying temperature, then I go in and outalpha him, say he's creepy to the girls, and then remove them from him.

The girls are already aroused, so they are still in state based on what the AMOG did. I can do this like maybe on 90% of sets I approach where a natural AMOG has gotten far with a girl. I think a dude I know "Stephane" recently posted about this on Cliff's List regarding a sarge we did.

Basically, I just make the friends of the girl who is getting gamed on by the AMOG like me. Like, they want me, but they know they're not qualified but their friend is.

Then I say "Hey I want to meet your friend so much, but that touchy grabby lean in guy is all over her.. is she just being nice, or does she really like guys who lean in and touch and do all the 'whats your name' fake ungenuine stuff?"

The UGs are invariably like "no no, we hate guys like that.. that's why we love you so much blah blah", and then you get the FRIENDS to literally REMOVE the hottie that you want from the AMOG who is conveniently heating her up for you and saving you the hassle.

Have fun ....saw some more tonight.

I'm walking home (first day back at school, btw) and some dude is pissing on
the wall.

AMOG: its fucking huge, huh?
TD: yeah dude, I almost swooned.


He's surprised obviously (this guy was pretty alpha actually). He keeps
walking, probably thinking of how to out-alpha me.

AMOG: swooned huh? hahah man you're such a JOKER.

(I *LIKE* this one, calling guys a "joker" if they nail you with a good one..
like the implication is that he's the insecure type to use humour to gain
acceptance)

TD: yeah man... you know I've got to impress..

(standard come back for guys who imply I'm trying to impress them with any of
the "nice shirt" or "you're awesome" type stuff)

AMOG: haa, I AM impressed man..

(still trying to top me here)

TD: guy, without my fans.....

(I raise my hands to finish the sentence.. notice that in out-alphaing, you
don't use alot of well thought out sentences.. its like even giving well
thought out answers is too much.. this is like from JAP Busting posts where I
answer "why did you ask me this" simply with "....I'm talking" (with a funny
face like "WTF is she thinking asking me this.. ) Then I do freeze out and
turn my back on him. If he attempts to re-initiate, he's outalpha'ed, so must
give up.. Also, if a guy answers with something too well thought out, I just
smirk and go "whoa dude, that's pretty scientific" and immediately turn my back
and freeze him out.. As usual, if he tries to get me to turn around by grabbing
me, I run the "whoa dude, Club-477 (gay club here) is down there.. hands off
the merchandise buddy, and if he replies I keep saying "man I'm not gay.. stop
trying man, I'm not gay").

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I think another variation of this could be if a guy really burns you, you could
say:

PUA: haaa, GUY, hahah.. man, I can't keep up with you buddy, while I'm out
you're like at home thinking this stuff up.. guy you are a JOKER man..

-TD

P.S.: For the record, I think that this whole thing is fucking lame. I'm just
glad that I understand it now. I remember being back in high-school and having
these assholes using shit like this on me, and I have to say that just
understanding the format well enough to be able to out-alpha anyone is awesome
(combined obviously with that I can remove their chicks from them, if not
totally then at least get them obviously wanting to within around 1 minute
which the AMOGS fucking hate).

I think that the main benefit is that you never have to feel like somebody in a
public gathering is going to make you feel like shit or embaress you, because
you can cut them down faster and harder than anything that they can do to you.
Thanks Craig. That reminds of me the classic "Hey, when I'm talking to you
I'll point my finger at you" from your Elimidate. I used that tonight and the
HB10 was all over it.

One addition that I forgot about.

Sickboy007 and I were gaming a 2 set from this HUGE 6'6 black guy. Once he
looked ready to knock us down, Sickboy007 goes -


Sickboy007: Dude, have you ever seen Fight Club.. Have you ever seen Fight
Club??
AMOG: umm yeah..
Sickboy007: OK dude, dude.. "I want you to HIT ME, AS HARD AS YOU CAN"... hit
me.. hit me...
AMOG: (looking like WTF?)
Sickboy007: whoa whoa whoa.. actually dude, DO NOT hit me.. with those arms,
man you'd KILL ME.. seriously man, don't don't.. look at this guy, WTF was I
thinking???

(use at your own risk.. ... )


Also, I get alot of AMOGs here knowing the frame, so I have to take it further:
AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man, you're going to need
somebody to protect you mate, you're going to have all the guys into you.. (yes
I actually got this, and that was a cool shirt but he still found a way to diss
it, and to be honest it was a good diss)
PUA: Dude, that's why I rolled up on you.. I need YOU man.. help me, please
man.. dude, I look at you, and I just KNOW that you were born to protect my
sphinkter


OR:


AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man, you're going to need
somebody to protect you mate, you're going to have all the guys into you..
PUA: hahah man you are SO FUNNY.. man, you're the best comedian.. dude,
honestly, I like you man.. you're awesome.. you don't have to be funny for me
to like you..


AMOG: hey you fucking ginger-minger..
(I'm considered bad looking out here, because red-head guys are apparently
unattractive in Britain - gingerminger means ugly redhead guy.. for guys who
are fat, short, etc, guys will fall back on a CRUTCH and hit you with something
sensitive to try to get you to flinch.. after getting burned on this a few
times, I figured the formula, again, is to point out the GAP between what they
actually ARE and what they PROJECT..
PUA: whoa you're like the best verbal sparring partner ever.. that was so
original man.. you're SO COOL.. ladies, is this guy not the coolest?? Guy, I
can't roll with you, I'll pay you a hundred dollars to take these ladies from
me right now..
I was just heading off to the club, but thought about something that happened
to me last night on the topic of AMOGs. To me, this is really important stuff,
although maybe nobody will get it or maybe its more obvious to them so its
redundant. Anywayz....

I'm sitting at one of the computers in my student center, and I see an AMOG
from the other night. I had been working a 2set, and he'd come into the set.

One thing I love to do when an AMOG enters the set, is this really simple coin
snatch trick that I learned from Mystery (he actually learned it from a dude at
the Guvernment club / www.theguvernment.com, my favourite club in Toronto,
whose girlfriend he was stealing, but this guy showed him the trick so he lost
interest in the girl and just learned it). I can't post it because its
Mystery's (him and Style are sticky about that stuff, whereas I just post all
my shit because if I get caught in a repeat I just think its funny), but really
this doesn't matter. The idea is just learn ANY BASIC TRICK. Then you can use
this kind of tactic. Just learn anything. The coin thing isn't even magic.
It's just a dumb trick that happens to be field tested and shown to work
extremely well. But you can use bar bets or ANYTHING.

So anyway, what I'll do is that the AMOG will enter the set and the girls will
start chatting him because they know him. But I'll say "Dude dude dude, CHECK
THIS OUT.. Alright, hold your hand out." and do the trick on him.

Now what this accomplishes, is that you're OWNING the guy right in front of the
girls. Rather than sitting there like a puppydog, hoping that the girls will
come back to you, you just take over the set by demonstrating something to him,
where he's having to take directions from you in order to see it.

Also important is that on occasion the alpha will know what's happening, and
just not agree to do it. Most guys will back down from this, but instead I
just CUT HIM OUT OF REALITY. I say something dismissive like "Cool dude, its
OK to be shy man, I was like that before too.. anyway HBwhatever, check this
out, its AWESOME", with HIGH ENERGY because girls are drawn to that, and then
you can blow him out of the set because the girls focus on you and there's
nothing he can do about it. If he's a member of the set (close friend or
whatever), then later on say "Dude, I'm just chilling man.. Just shooting the
shit.. I didn't mean to fuck with you.. What's your name, man?" and because of
SOCIAL PRESSURE, he'll supplicate you and actually be receptive to your
attempts to get rapport with him, because inside he feels what you've done to
his status, and he just wants a quick-fix to regain it. So if you stroke his
ego just a BIT, he'll now RESPECT you and befriend you. Even help you. But do
this later, AFTER you've blown him out, when he's sitting there like a pouting
puppydog.

[Dunkan]

The thing is, and this is IMPORTANT, is that these AMOGs have natural
tendencies to still fuck you over, and make it look like you're qualifying
yourself.

In this case, the guy just thought that I was cool, and social proofed me to
the girls (who invited me out to the club tonight, actually). But typically,
they'll do this like this:

EXAMPLES:

You're showing people pictures. He'll come in and yell out "WICKED! Pictures!
Awesome man, its like a little show. Show me your little show, man! This is
awesome stuff! Man, these girls are loving this shit. (grabs them from you)
Hey girls, check these out!"

Like they do what I remember I once called "USURPING THE GLORY", in an old
alpha post I wrote. Actually I'm just remembering that post now. It's funny
how this stuff evolves, because that very post (I think it was called "10 Alpha
Behaviours - for breakbeat, so DAFS if interested) was the first post where I
was sitting down and trying to figure out what the fuck these big annoying
fuckers were doing to maintain their alpha status all the time.

Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, last night.

I see this guy with a girl. He decides that he's going to outalpha me in a
friendly way, to build value to his girlfriend. He stops beside me at the
computer, with this girl on his arm, and says "Hey check out this guy's little
trick. It's the bomb. He can grab a coin out of your hand in like 1 second.
Show her the shit man. Show her."

Alphas always try to do this stupid shit. I think its funny, because this guy
obviously has no idea what he's dealing with.

So he puts out his hand to make me do it on him. I stand up and smirk, and
then put out my hand for his girl to be the one I do it on.

Right there, I'm now disobeying him, smirking at him like I'm not even saying
much to him other than just being dismissive, and controlling the set the way
*I* want it done.

Immediately she touches me and shows IOIs.

I say "For you man, I'd do anything. I met this guy last night, and he was the
shit. I just KNEW I had to impress him". Then I put my hand on his shoulder
while I say this.

He says "Yeah, check this out!", like in this sort of alpha way that I can't
really explain on the internet, but he's trying to like re-direct the set. But
I cut him off just as the last word "out" is coming out of his mouth, and I'm
like "Dude, SSHHH.. This requires concentration. Stay still."

Then I run the trick, and she freaks out. Then I IMMEDIATELY start pumelling
her with game, right in front of her guy. She's touching me, giving IOIs, and
I'm pushing her onto him.

She tells me where she works (on campus), and qualifies herself to me by saying
who her friends are (they're the "cool" girls, who I'm better friends with than
her), and you can tell that the interest is there.

I actually LIKE this alpha guy, and he's not a bad guy. So I don't further
attempt to steal his girl from him, because I feel validated at this point, and
generally don't want to cause problems in my small social circle at school.

But he put me in the position where I could have, and I used his dumbass
out-alpha attempts to pummel him with shit he didn't expect.

The moral here is that you need to OWN THE SET. Have DHVs ready that GUYS will
like, so that you can own them, the second that they arrive.

Anyway, this struck me as funny, and a good isolated example of something that
almost every night that I go out. It's subtle subcommunication, that girls
respond to immediately. In fact, its a great way to convey value fast. Owning
the men in a group.

Peace.

[Dunkan]

Thanks for the input man. Actually you and I are on the EXACT same wave length
here, but I failed to explain things thoroughly so good clarification. Check
over the part where I wrote to actually just not to talk to the alpha, to bait
him to keep talking to you. Where I wrote "just sit there and say nothing, or
even make "let's go" girl eye code.

What I do is use silence to blow the guy out. If he acknowledges ME while I
won't acknowledge HIM, he qualifies himself by still paying attention to me,
and is blown out.

As for acknowledging him too much, I actually DISREGARD the alphas until they
try to cut in. I de-value them by treating them like they don't exist, but if
they get in my way aggressively (which is what most of the post was referring
to, since its Europe out here), then I cut them down with the aforementioned
tactics.

Still man, very good clarification, because like with boyfriend destroyers
where guys will say "How do you get the boyfriend to come up in convo?", its
like "dude, this is TROUBLE SHOOTING.. preferably, you don't want it to come up
at all". The out-alpha stuff is for when its unavoidable - common out here in
Europe.

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Haaa.. dude, you definitely do this stuff also.. Yes man, in Lester Square we
get these guys. The key is to go FURTHER than they do.. Good that you brought
this up also, I forgot about these, and they're common.

Examples:

AMOG: You know I already fucked these girls.
PUA: haa... oh man, I hope you doubled up! GROSS!

AMOG: hey guys..
PUA: Hey.. know how I know these girls.. I fucked them..
AMOG: haa.. then you got sloppy seconds buddy.. gross!
PUA: hahaha.. oh dude, you KNOW I doubled up on these girls.. hahaha

AMOG: look at these little brats (or whatever teasing or neg)
PUA: yeah man, these girls tried to fuck me all night..
AMOG: they tried to fuck YOU? hahha, these girls ARE sluts!
PUA: dude, you have NO CLUE.. these girls just did (whatever thing you can
MISINTERPRET)


THIS I LEARNED FROM CROATIAN BADBOY (IMO the best PUA in the scene in all Europe, taught me this stuff.. he's not known on mASF, but well known in the
European scene and the Lounge.. He did post stuff here though on how he fucked
the "Miss Croatia" competition winners and other celebs he fucked, which you
guys may remember)

Look at the double binds Badboy is using here:

AMOG: hey look at these little brats (or whatever teasing)
BADBOY: hey man.. do you have a girlfriend?

either:

AMOG: yes..
BADBOY: girls.. what do you think of a guy who goes out and leaves his
girlfriend all alone.. is that nice?
HBS: nooooo...

or:

AMOG: no... (he now looks bad for having no girlfriend)
BADBOY: man, you have to be nice to girls.. you have to by them drinks and
flowers and call them 10 times a day.. girls, you like guys who treat you nice
right (they HAVE to say yes, even though they don't.. also, by saying it in a
way that makes nice guys sound LAME, he's highlighting that he's not like that,
but is TOOLING the AMOG all the while)

For guys who have less game:
AMOG: flowers/drinks/compliments/even just approaching
BADBOY: girls.. go to him.. he is nice.. he will buy you whatever you want, and
call TEN TIMES A DAY.. no no.. a HUNDRED TIMES A DAY.. he will WORSHIP YOU..
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When you say "Do you have a girlfriend, bro?" sometimes the guy will come back with something like:

"Yeah man. All these girls are my girlfriends."

"Yeah man. She's my girlfriend. And she's my girlfriend. And he's my girlfriend."

If you've been using this, I'd be curious to hear your
stock comeback for it. I have a few myself, but I prefer to
go a more subtle route.

One way to think about AMOG'ing, is that it is similar to
using hoops, Q&C, teasing, or anything else. If you have
established value, then the other person (in this case, the
girl) will buy into it. If you don't, then they don't jump
through your hoops or acknowledge your frame.

So these things act in some ways as a litmus test of your
value in the interaction. If they buy into it, you have
value. If they don't, then you have miscalibrated. In that
case, you would have been better off not to have thrown up
any hoops until you had tipped the value scales further in
your favour. Their not buying into it reinforces the frame
in their favour, not yours. An experienced PUA knows this
by his gut, but these things also become more apparent even
to newbies as they gain experience.

A strong framed AMOG generally won't bite on "Do you have a
girlfriend?", nor will he bite on the "Cool shirt, bro.
Where did you get it?"

The thing with these guys is generally just to ignore them
or even to politely acknowledge their person but not show
any emotional reaction to what they say. Almost reacting as
if he is just a nice guys and he's saying nice things to
you. To do that requires having higher value than him, and
to then focus on the girls. If you have higher value, then
the girls will put all of their attention on you, and he
will feel the vacuum of social pressure and walk off.

Even acting totally "normal" (not doing anything to
actively control frame), you can still demonstrate higher
value by having a better voice, better eye contact, better
humour, and more than anything a better frame by being LESS
REACTIVE TO THE SITUATION THAN HE IS.

[Dunkan]

More TD on AMOGing:

Out-alpha'ing guys is a fast way to convey value. It's like
stereotypical male fantasy of wishing that they could slay
the dragon or save a girl from harm. Why is that? It's
because they may have balls of steel, but they don't know
how to CONVEY it fast. This sort of thing helps you to do
that. Also, it's so important to have this stuff down in
clubs, because there are always guys trying to lower your
status to elevate theirs. So being savvy of the
subcommunication that's going on in between alpha guys is
really key in social gatherings.

It's also so key, because it gives you the confidence that
you're the coolest guy in the venue. You know that you're
in control of your situation, and you won't have to resort
to qualifying yourself and getting into long winded
debates, with other guys that try to mess with you.

Anyway, I'll post more on this later. So on to the outing
report.

I get a phone call from another one of my ex-girlfriends'
ex-boyfriends.

This is the guy that I "stole" my ex-girlfriend from. I
slept with her while they were still together, and she
dumped him supposedly for me (debatable). Then we stayed
together for a while.

So its funny, because this guy had read ASF prior to
breaking up with his girl, in passing. He knew who I was,
and was like "WTF? TYLERDURDEN FROM ASF STOLE MY
GIRLFRIEND? AM I GOING TO F*CKING WAKE UP FROM THIS???"

Man, you've gotta see the humour in this. Like imagine if
you guys got your girlfriend stolen by Maniac_High or
something, after you'd read the site.

Anyway, he's a good guy. Just a decent guy who loved his
girlfriend and wanted to make her happy, kind of like what
I was back in my AFC days when I lost my 2 year GF to some
dude who was more alpha than me. And like me, he was broken
up by it for around a year.

So I decided to start taking him out regularly, to let him
watch me work and give him some tutoring. It's very
cathartic for me, because I feel alot like I'm talking to
myself 2 years ago. Like as if I could go back in time and
help myself to "pop the blue pill", and escape the
depression and whatnot. This guy could be good, too, with
time. He's decent looking, tall, and intelligent (hence he
had a cute GF, who I took from him). He just needs material
and some practice with C&F and 25-points type stuff.

What followed tonight was a real eye-opener for him, and
also reminded me of what it's like to be on the other end
of the cheating equation.

We arrive at the club around midnight. I walk with him up
to one of the bartenders, and try to game her up. I get her
laughing, but I do poorly on the follow up. I over-teased a
bit, and felt kind of stupid. I re-gained her interest by
telling her that she looks like she belongs in NYC (to
compensate for overnegging), and then eject while it's
still good because I don't feel like trying to backpedal.

I walk over to a different bar at the other end of the
venue, where there is a smoking hot bartender and a pretty
cute girl who is surrounded by 4 guys. They are the only
set on our side of the bar. The venue is slow tonight,
which suits me fine because I really only need 1 or 2 girls
to have a full night, unless I am conducting a workshop or
testing new material/ideas or something.

We sit down on the bar stools, where we'll spend the rest
of this report.

The main AMOG is a big f*cker. He's wearing his rugby team
shirt, and he's a natural. The girls dig him.

The bartender is telling the AMOG's 5-set about how
everyone thinks that her breasts are fake, but they're
really real, etc., etc... She's qualifying herself, which
surprises me because this girl has no need. She probably
wants the AMOG.

I yell over:

TD Don't be embarrassed.. Implants will give you buoyancy
when you're swimming. If we were all lost at sea, you'd be
the only one to survive..

HBBartender hahahhaha. THEY'RE NOT FAKE!

TD Sure.. Um yeah, cool..

AMOG Hey! Don't insult my girlfriend! (I can tell he's
playing Mr. Coolguy AMOG, and that he's not her boyfriend.)

TD You guys are a couple? That's so cute. You guys are so
similar looking, it's like you're brother and sister. Oh
MAN - if you guys have kids they'll come out like (I put my
hands on the side of my face and make flipper motions and
squeaky noises, pretending the kids will be inbred retarded)

HBBartender (and whole set) hahahhahahahhahaha...

AMOG What? Shut the f*ck up or I'll smash your face in.

TD LOL.. Whoa. Dude man, I'm turning back around. This
whole corner of the bar is yours man. You rule this
territory. You're like the alphamale of this joint man -
CARRY ON.. (I flick him off with a dismissive wave, as I
turn my back on him, on my barstool, and talk to the guy
I'm out with).

HBBartender hahahahhahahahhaha..

(I chat my friend for a minute, as the bartender comes over
and starts touching me and shit.. the girl from the AMOG's
set is also staring at me, while I'm actively ignoring all
of them and just chatting my friend, to make it look like
we're just two old friends out on the town, having a drink
to catch up... Then the AMOG comes over and puts his arms
around me and my friend, to out-alpha us).

AMOG Hey, you guys are cute. I want to buy you a drink,
man. (it's condescending to out alpha me)

TD A drink? Holy shit dude, you're like the nicest guy in
this whole place Man, THANKS.. YO, this guy wants to buy me
a drink! (I yell this a few times for everyone to hear, so
he looks stupid.. they all laugh at him)

AMOG Yeah, I'm calling him cute.

TD OMG man. You're cute too. I love your nipples (poke
him). Man, you can roll with me any time.

(Now everyone is laughing at him, and he's not too happy.
He's touching me more and more, to regain status. I'm
laying back like I don't give a f*ck, and then I jump out
from under his arm, slap him on the back, and go "Whoa big
fella.. easy now.." and turn my back on him and re-engage
the guy I came with).

Out of nowhere, the girl from the AMOG's set crawls up on
his back, and peeps over at me from over his shoulder. She
looks like a little 5 year old, peeping over her dad's
shoulder.

TD You look like a little puppet, peering over at us like
that. It's so funny.

HB hahahhaha.. WHAT? I'm a PUPPET?

TD Yeah. Or a powerpuff girl (I haven't used the powerpuff
girl line in months.. nice to bring the back old school on
this HB)..

HB ahahhaa.. which one?

TD Bubbles..

HB hahahahaa... What's your name?

AMOG (cuts in, probably thinking "How the f*ck is this guy
doing this??") This guy is cute. I tried to buy him a drink
(trying to out-alpha me).

TD Yeah, I'm thinking of going home with this guy. I can't
resist a big teddy bear like him. He's so cuddly, and he
touches me alot which I really like. Look at his big arms
(I squeeze his arms).

HB hahahaha..

TD Yeah, but you know what? Really, the real sexual
predators are GIRLS.. Girls are sexual predators.. OK, get
this. Girls are the only ones with ONE BODYPART, that's
designed for nothing other than sexual pleasure.

HB hahahaha

AMOG Hey, you can't talk about this to my girlfriend.

TD Hey man, this may be your girlfriend, but she's MY
little sister.. (I turn from him to the girl). You know
what? You're lucky I even let you go out with her, man. If
I wasn't going home tonight with this big teddy bear, I'd
adopt you. You could be my new little sister.

HB (jumps on me and kinos me). OMG, I would LOVE that..

TD Yeah, I would wrap you up in a little bubble wrap
envelope. I'd pack you in my suitcase and you could squish
all the bubbles. I'd bring you to LA with me to hang out,
so you wouldn't have to live in this sh*tty weather.

HB OMG OMG OMG.. YES! DO IT!

(AMOG is feeling deflated.. I have so many IOIs because I'm
using a bit of party style game on her, in terms of the
high impact lines I'm using.. He feels the lack of
attention from his girl)

AMOG Hey, are you going to adopt me too?

TD Dude, be quiet, I'm talking about sexual predators.. Now
where was I? Oh yeah.. Girls are the only ones with one
bodypart just for sexual pleasure.

HB hahahhaha

TD Yeah, and on that bodypart, there are ten times more
nerve endings than anything that a guy has..

HB hahahaha..

TD That's why when girls have sex, they go "AWWWWW...
OOHHHHH".. and guys are like "ummmm yeah, this is cool"

HB hahahahahahahahahah (dies laughing) IT'S TRUE! Girls are
sexual predators! OMG, I can't believe you know that!

AMOG Wow, this guy is smart..

TD Thanks bro. Man, I love compliments. Its definitely ON
between us tonight, dude.

HB hahahaha..

TD Check this out. My friend showed me this earlier today.
This rocks. Get a coin out (I start running the coin-snatch
trick).

As f*cking USUAL, and I see this ALL THE TIME with AMOGs -
he steals the coin out of my hand. BUT, because I have the
IOIs, I just say "Hey, my boyfriend is feeling a little
insecure. Get the coin back from him." and I turn my back
on her. Because I've turned my back, she feels the loss of
the takeaway and starts SCREAMING at the guy to give it
back.
He looks like an idiot, having to give it back. btw, in
cases where this happens *before* I have the IOIs to make
her scream at him to get it back, I just pump a bunch of
mini-cold-reads and teases in a row, to get her buying
temperature up fast, and then ask. She'll do it. In this
case, I have buying temperature already, so I just tell the
girl what to do, and turn around and smirk to the guy who
came with me, whose jaw is dropped, gaping at how I've
structured this. She pulls me and tugs me to turn back
around, and I run the coin snatch basic trick.

HB OMG OMG OMG OMG... That was SO FAST..

TD You're awesome.. I love how you laugh at all my jokes
and you make me feel like I'm the sh*t.. I want to hang
with you all the time.. Actually, I know I never will,
because its a bar-thing, but I felt the emotion of wanting
it for one brief second back there, nonetheless..

HB NOOOOOOO, you have to hang with me, blah blah..

TD No no.. Your boyfriend here can take care of you. Look
at this guy. He's super nice. He even tried to buy me a
drink. You could get drinks from this guy, and he'd call
you 10 times a day and worship you and always seek your
approval. Plus, look how cute he is. And look at his arms.
(I squeeze his arms).

AMOG Oh, thanks man.. You're cute too (not good enough of a
comeback, so she's still focused on me).

TD (I roll my eyes at the girl like "let's go" girl
eyecode, and she nods to me in understanding).

AMOG (whispers into my ear) Dude, this girl is from Perth
(45 minutes away). She doesn't live here. You won't get her.

TD (ignoring the comment) You know, I have an intuition
about you. You're from Perth, aren't you? That's the
feeling I get.

HB HOLY SHIT! HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT?

AMOG I *told* him..

TD Umm yeah. HB, it was actually intuition. Watch. Picture
a number on a blackboard, from one to four. Picture it,
picture it, picture it.... OK..... THREE.

HB OMG OMG OMG.. How did you do that???

AMOG He guessed..

TD Yeah, cool man.. Anyway, keep picturing the black
board.. Picture a number from one to ten.. Picture it,
picture it, picture it........ SEVEN.

HB AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH (screams)

(she now believes that I could tell that she was from Perth
on my own, and thinks that the AMOG is lying to her)

TD I'll teach you that sometime. It's easy to learn, but
not many people know it. Everyone has it in them.

HB OMG.

TD I'm trusting you more now. But I still see that predator
thing on your face. I'm going to trust-test you. (run trust
test, and fail her even though she does decent.. I slap her
hands away and tell her to 'go away', as she keeps her
hands there like a puppydog trying to take another shot..
she gets it good, and then I put her hands on my thighs,
and she keeps them there as I lean back in my chair - good
IOI).

I then run the teddybear lap tactic thing on her, and she
jumps off me and shrieks. She whispers in my ear "You can't
do that with them here.. Don't do that right now.." I'm
surprised. I've never had that trick fail even once.
Instead of worrying, I just plow through, and figure to try
again later, once buying temperature is up (although I'm
surprised, because all of my intuitions were telling me
that she was high enough to sit on my lap).

TD I run around 5-6 humour stories, including bad ass
little kid story, rollerblading story, and commonalities
story (money routine I invented and will post later because
it could use improvements - very comfort building style,
but in the form of a DHV).

The AMOG is constantly trying to be invasive, and I just
keep either rolling my eyes at him and continuing, or
out-alphaing him with the basic stuff that I was using
before. On a few occasions over the next hour he gets in a
few good ones, but it's like 10-1 in my favour, so I suck
up all the IOIs from him within seconds, every time.

He's frequently telling me what to do. Ordering me around.
"Dude, come dance.", "Man, show this girl something.",
"Guy, treat me/her/whoever with respect". I'd constantly
say sh*t like "Easy tiger.. C'mon man, you're too cute to
get angry", and sh*t like that. Or I'd completely ignore
him, and be very dismissive. He couldn't get an inch, and
EVERYONE around us was very aware of it. He probably
thought to himself "How is this little sh*t doing this??"

Anyway, at this point the HBs *actual* boyfriend comes
over, and he's friends with the AMOG. He starts making out
with the HB I've been gaming, and the AMOG is like "See
man, there's her boyfriend". She comes over and whispers
"He's lying. Neither of them are my boyfriends." She
repeatedly nods her head and whispers "Lying", whenever
anyone mentions that she has a boyfriend, even though she
has made out with this guy and it is very obvious that it
is her boyfriend.

Haaa!! So that's why she jumped off my lap. It was a social
thing, not a buying temperature thing. She doesn't want
AMOG telling her boyfriend anything. Makes sense. That's
why she's put her hands on my legs and keep them there
(good IOI test, to see if she's ready for more).

Also, what's interesting here, is that my main goal in this
set is to get social proof in front of the hot hot hot
bartender. She's the one I really want. The HB in my set is
pretty cute also, but the bartender stands out more. She's
looking over on my set, with great interest. She's coming
over and sitting near me all the time, giving me
proximity-IOIs. I have conveyed alot of personality to her,
obliquely, as she has watched this set.

Also of note, is that every time that the HB from the set
that I am gaming turns to her set to talk to them, I turn
my back on them back to the guy that I came with. I ignore
them, as if the set is done. Each time, she will tap me on
the shoulder and beg me to talk to her more. I ignore her
taps, and keep talking to my friend. I don't even stopping
mid sentence to acknowledge her, but rather pretending I'm
not noticing her tapping my shoulder and yelling at me,
until she practically jumps on me to get my attention. Then
I'll turn around and give her more treats.

I do massive comfort building, and build commonalities.
We're holding hands, and she's squeezing. I build comfort
and commonality for around twenty minutes.

Then her friends drag her away to a seat about 15 feet
away. My friend tells me that she's looking over
constantly. She comes over and gets drinks and jumps on me,
every five minutes. I ignore her, and she keeps going for
my attention. The AMOG is looking over, glaring, and the
boyfriend is clueless because he wasn't there earlier to
see what was happening.

I tell her that I want to hang with her, but that I can't
because she's from Perth (elastic band disqualification,
instead of saying she's "drunk" like I normally do, I use
geography). She qualifies herself to me that her parents
are rich and own 5 houses, and that she has a whirlpool in
one of them and that I can come over tomorrow and have a
whirlpool with her.

I'm like "Cool", and then turn my back on her. This makes
no sense, but I do this often when girls offer me their #.
If I know it's FULLY ON, then I'll make THEM work to try to
bring up ways to make me take their #, and sit back and
laugh inside as I watch them trying to bring it up cleverly
as if it were natural. It's so funny to watch, because it's
just like what guys do to girls, and it's so f*cking
transparent that it just shows me that it's impossible to
cover up.

My plan at this point, is to say "Ask the bartender for a
pen, to give me your #."

[Dunkan]

***TACTIC PAWNING FOR BARTENDERS
What I'm doing here is getting her to ask for the pen, and
do all the work, like a little puppydog, right in front of
the bartender. Then, I follow up by gaming the bartender,
and at some point I'll say that the girl who gave me her #
is weird, and that I'm not calling her. The reason for
this, is that you have only 5-7 minutes to game the
bartender, and you want max-value going in. So the game is
to get value obliquely first, and then just engage her long
enough to qualify her quickly, and take her # for later or
set a meet for after hours.

Unfortunately, JUST as I am about to run the standard
bartender tactic that I always use, her friends come over
and drag her to the dance floor. She asks us to come, and
we pretend not to hear her. She comes back from the floor
every 5 minutes, trying to talk to me.

Finally, its near closing time. She comes up to me.

HB I'm going to be here tomorrow. Promise me you'll be here.

TD (I whisper into her ear) You were offering me your
number so many times Is the reason that you're not doing it
because your boyfriend is right there watching? Just pen it
down and slip it to me without him noticing.

HB Yeah, he gets jealous. He's not even my boyfriend. But
I'll get you my number. Just wait here. (LIES she was
making out with him and was lovey-dovey with him).

The guy I am with is gaping, jaw dropped. He's like "Did
that girl SERIOUSLY tell you she's getting you her
number?"

HB's boyfriend is cuddling her, and she's looking at me
like as if to say "help". I walk over to the bartender HB,
and say "Go give that girl a pen for me, because her
boyfriend is there and she doesn't want him to get
jealous". The bartender looks at me like I'm the shit, and
goes over and gives it to her.

I sit back down, and a minute later the HB from the set
comes over and drops a piece of paper ball on the floor.
She whispers in my ear "It's on the floor. Promise you'll
call me tomorrow." I promise to call, and she looks at me
and keeps looking over at me the whole time that her
boyfriend is dragging her out. I pick up the paper and
pocket it.

The AMOG is suspicious that something just happened. He
comes over and says "You are so cute man. Take my #." I
look over at my HB, and she is smirking. I have beaten him,
and she views it as him qualifying himself to her. She
rolls her eyes, and I do it too, and we both smirk. I say
"Dude, for a guy like you I have a photographic memory.
Shoot." He gives me his #, and I laugh and say "I'll call
for sure." (looking at the girl, and she nods as if it were
directed at her). The AMOG drags her back to her BF, and I
walk past to leave the club and slap the HB on the ass,
without anyone seeing.

I was pissed that I didn't get the # or a meet from the
bartender, but it was just too late. The club was closing,
and she was busy with shutting down the bar. That was a
shame, but I WILL go back, and the AMOG battle was so over
the f*cking top, there is little chance that she will
forget it. Either way, I don't care. I will likely get her
one way or another, whether she remembers or not.

I'm not sure whether or not this report conveyed it, but
this set was very f*cking tricky. It took constant balance
between keeping the AMOG, the BF, and the girl, always in
check. I used constant backturns and AMOG blasters and kino
and counter kino on the AMOG. I would break rapport and
ignore him, then engage him nicely, then engage him
condescendingly, then roll my eyes at him to the HB. It
went on for around 2 hours or so.

It also took confidence that the girl WOULD return, which
meant having confidence that the field tested and tried and
true routines WOULD have the impact to keep the girl hooked
and coming back for more, without me doing anything to
pursue the set or actively keep it going.